Apologise for not getting to this earlier. I probably would have commented last night, but I figured it was more important to update my reads of a couple of other players who were attracting flak (possibly it was, because it pushed The Snide Sniper into possible votables today).
BoomFrog's case on moody (spoilered for brevity):
boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:22 pm
Errg. Fuck me for being so indecisive I guess. patzer is either a very experienced player pulling a ruse from D1 or is genuinely bad at stringing together deductive reasoning. (Sorry patzer). Even when she is trying to be logical, in a single post she can't keep things straight. Her having inconsistent logic is not a scum tell.
She's been struggling from D1, and says so in her 3rd post:
patzer wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 11:29 pm
IRL stuff to an extent, though be honest, this game is way harder than I'd remembered it to be, so I've tried to read through everything in detail before commenting in case I miss stuff. That's why I haven't been more active yet.
Thank you for providing that rough game summary though; it does help.
Yes, getting details wrong long term is a sign of messing up the double-think of being scum. But she's messing up details mid post as well, that's not scum-indicative. She's either faking it or genuinely confused, and I don't think she is faking it.
Also, her OMGUS on JimBob is townie righteousness. If she's advanced enough to be faking confusion she would be advanced enough to not OMGUS as scum.
FOS everyone who's only point against her was inconsistent logic, which I think is JimBob, LaserGuy, moody? Actually, I just searched and very few people actually voted for patzer despite the seeming forgone conclusion that that is where we were moving the elim toDay... I can only find JimBob and Seven voting. (Bessie had a different and good reason to vote patzer).
Actually, moody's entire reason for disliking patzer's slot is regurgitation of other people's grumblings. None of this is actually scummy, just "patzer is playing poorly".
moody7277 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:45 am
patzer: superficial guess at heury rez, placefiller TS list, responses to jimbob re her cases, partial reads distracted by technical issues, "confused" by jimbob's pressure, slightly into OMGUS territory.
Also, moody has given me way too much benefit of the doubt this game. His opening RVS vote was disengaged with ASAP with no actual reason, which gives me the feeling that he wanted to limit the interaction. He's just bouncing from easy target to easy target without taking any hard looks at the more experienced players.
Re. your concerns with patzer was that she seemed to be scrambling for anything to grasp onto, due to being in the line of the elimination at the time (thinking about it, it seems most likely to come from cult!patzer or possibly survivor!patzer than mafia!patzer because in either case, their elimination will result in a loss). It didn't feel townie to me at the time, but I can see your point there. That being said, some of my reasoning for having patzer low dates back to D1 (see my read of her towards the end of that Day).
I can't really fault moody for his suspicions of patzer due to the problems with patzer's posts, because I had the same issue with patzer. Regurgitation is certainly a little off, as it implies lack of original thought (easier to end up in, I think, as scum). Certainly, we can share similar opinions, but everybody usually has their own take on it. I can't really comment on the "benefit of the doubt" aspect of your case - I haven't got the time to go back over your interactions with each other, to judge this, I'm afraid. If you still want me to tomorrow, let me know and I will. I do feel like moody is taking things too easily, which is one of my main concerns (the lack of scum reads, specifically). He may be self-conscious about this, but he's shown no true sign of trying to solve it, based on recent memory at least. I don't really have an issue with his RVS vote. Traditionally, my RVS votes don't tend to have much engagement with them, although I kinda see your point (although could also see it coming from a town player, who was looking for a joke justification for the random vote, rather than a serious attempt to engage).
Seven wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:06 am
jimbobmacdoodle wrote: ↑Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:01 am
Of the 4 elimination candidates, my order of preference is moody > Seven > TSS > patzer. I really don't think a patzer elimination is a great idea (I'll look foolish if they're cult leader), but I could be persuaded on either Seven or TSS if you think moody is a bad idea.
Now going to look at BoomFrog's moody case, per request.
Sigh. I really thought you'd be on this one.
You mean you think I'd want to vote patzer the town-claimed-cop-with-no-counter-claim off at this point? No chance this game day (I might later on though). If patzer is town, then Mafia have to kill her sooner or later. The longer they leave her alive, the more chance she has of nailing one of them, and the more townie confirmations we'll get from her. If she's cult leader, Mafia still need to kill her, for basically the same reasoning.