What's happened so far:
This is ignoring conversations not directly related to the central conversatoin today, and even within that some peripheral posts are ignored.
I think I've captured the bulk of it pretty well, but if anyone thinks I've misrepresented them, then feel free to let me know.
Going in a spoiler tag to save space.
jimbobmacdoodle (jim)does some setup spec, and lists the Antisocial Survivor, Cult, and Mafia in that order.
LaserGuy (LG) asks about the ordering.
jim responds that it was the natural order.
boomfrog (bf) reads jim as town and LG as probably town.
The Snide Sniper (TSS) asks why 'we' think jim is town.
heuristically_alone (heury) answers that the question is a town mindset.
LG scumreads heury for preempting bf's response to TSS' question, townreads bf and moody (who hasn't involved himself in this conversation ark at all).
heury: Am I wrong?
Wam agrees with LG (about all the reads?) although he feels it's early on the town reads.
LG deosn't answer heury about agreeing or disagreeing, but restates their own initial question.
heury replies that that's his personality, and that he knew the answer so he gave it. Asks again if LG agrees.
LG says initial question is a null tell, and disagrees with bf's townread.
heury townreads LG for putting pressure on him (heury).
bf scumreads heury, no reasons given. Also neutral reads Wam.
bessie disagrees with heury that jim's original question is from a town mindset.
heury says no read on jim, but lots of 'we' in post so trying to appear town.
somitomi (somi) asks heury why he answered with a townread answer when he didn't have a townread on jim.
LG finds heury's "uses 'we' a lot" explanation superficial.
bessie questions heury further on his response and apparent townread. Asks opinion of bf.
heury says unsure of bf, but maybe slightly town. Asks somi's opinion of himself.
jim asks bf for reasoning, likes somi's thoughts (townread). LG is LG. TSS is scum (vote). Asks bf to answer the original question.
Wam asks heury why somi. bf is neutral, LG is LG, heury is town on meta.
heury townreads TSS based on response to bf.
heury doesn't answer Wam's question (about why somi) because 'obvious'.
somi questions heury's townread of bf. Also asks 'Why me?' Early for meta townread on heury. Asks jim for explanation of vote on TSS.
Reiterates question "if you don't have a read on Jimbob, why did you answer that question with a reason for townreading him?".
bf says he will explain after I post.
TSS asks jim "why?" about the vote.
heury will not vote for TSS.
Wam asks "Why?"
moody reads: bf town, jim town, LG town, somi town, TSS null, Wam neutral (but -ve score).
LG asks heury for explanation of TSS townread. Asks somi who he townreads. Asks patzer about jim.
jim townreads somi. No explanation (yet) for vote on TSS. Okay with bf not answering until I post. Asks TSS for a defense.
bf explains his scumread on heury (TMI and doesn't know why jim is actually towny)
heury says he won't vote for TSS because not scum. somi has a good scum game. Never claimed to be stating bf's view (assuming the reference to TSS in this post is an error - should be jim).
Just giving an honest opinion.
LG points out some inconsistencies in heury's comments. Asks for reasons on TSS townread. Agrees with bf's reasoning on heury scumread. Restates townreda on jim.
Wam doesn't like heury's last comment. Asks why TSS is not scum.
somi votes heury (questions not answered). Townreads jim, bf, and LG. Asks jim about TSS classification. Doesn't like meta comment.
patzer reads post - no strong reads. Asks LG why they asked about jim.
bessie points out that somi didn't answer heury's quesion. Asks for reason for the vote.
TSS townreads LG, Wam, and bessie. Weakly scumreads bf. Scumreads patzer. heury could be clueless town.
LG answers patzer. Asks for more details on reads.
jim asks TSS more questions. Notes bessie pointing out the unanswered question to somi. Still voting TSS.
Wam townreads somi (i.e. reads as not bussing). patzer, TSS, heury for scum, bf, LG, jim, and somi for town.
jim asks Wam about TSS scumread.
somi says he did answer heury. Asks about gambit. Asks jim again about classification.
I don't see bf's original townread on jim. I find both the setup spec post and the answer about the ordering neutral. If I had to guess, I'd say town!bf picked an early poster and just pushed town on them to see if he could draw out some scummy reactions. And you all said there was no gambit
To address bf's question of what a mafia gambit might look like: bussing your scummate and getting them eliminated on D1 and then riding the inevitable town points to victory springs to mind. I don't really think bf would do this so hard on D1 in a multi-faction game, but I won't ignore the possibility.
On LG, at this point, I actually agree with the weak townread, as I think the question about the opder was genuine scum hunting. Follow up reinforces that read significantly, I think.
I didn't think heury's initial post answering the TSS question was particularly scummy (although certainly not towny) on first read. But his follow up reactions, coupled with the arguments made by bf and LG, certainly do cast it in that light. Reading back over his posts in iso, and he doesn't state a non-town read on anyone. Claims that on balance it's more likely bf is town, but still voting for bf, which is just a bit wierd.
I have no strong reads on anyone else at this point, so I'll just post my overall reads. Feel free to ask about why I put anyone where they are.
- heuristically_alone - scum
- moody7277 - neutral, very weak townread on meta
- bessie - neutral, but I never could read bessie
- laserguy - town
- jimbob - weakly town as scum!heury's buddy target, honestly fairly neutral otherwise
- BoomFrog - town or very gutsy scum
- wam - weak townread
- somitomi - weak townread - tunneling on heury a bit, but certainly nothing stands out as scummy.
- patzer - needs more content. one RVS vote and one pretty weak reads post.
- suzaku - Towniest townie that ever towned a town.
- the snide sniper - newbie town
Recast into town-to-scum order
- The Snide Sniper
OMGUS for this:
boomfrog wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 7:25 pm
Sorry Jimbob, I'm busy. Maybe LG and Suzuki can help you out.