HaiLOWEEN 2023: AI apocalypse

[AdumbroDeus]

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Also @Seven has claimed but still hasn't confirmed who they neighborized last night.

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Why are you interested?

Given you already claimed and it's not an investigative role of some kind, I don't see much utility in keeping it quiet versus confirming your role.

This is lacking that confidence exuding jargon from your first two statements. Why not "My role pm says I'm definitely town, and not human or scum."? Ironically, you should be the most confident about this; the other two are reliant on conjecture but you ought to know your assigned role. Normally, I wouldn't even think about something like this, but it's a pattern that is really standing out to me. Does anyone else think I'm just grasping at straws here or is there some unconscious linguistic tell at play here?

I think this is just some linguistic quirk, the third statement is a fact so there's little need to indicate confidence there, while the first two are inferences that are usually accompanied by language indicating how sure the speaker is about them.

Yes, this.

Also @Adum, heury can only be scum if bessie is scum. You think bessie is town, so I don't think it's reasonable to think heury is scum. I suppose there is the option where bessie has a strong reason to believe heury is town rather than him being confirmed, but regardless, it's odd that you're ignoring the bessie side of the equation.

I think you might be overreading what you think are Bessie BCs like you did mine, for the moment I just think she's wrong like I think she's wrong on you.

If she claims Masons or some other reason to know for sure then we'll address it then. We also should get an updated woof/Grrr list from them because I don't know where her head is at toDay, she's only made one serious post.

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[madge]

Votals:
moody - 1 - EGW
Seven - 1 - Bessie
Makhaira - 1 - Seven
Heury - 1 - Laserguy

Mak has been modprodded.

With 11 players alive, it's 6 to vote off.

In case of a tie at the end of the day, the player who reached the tied votals first will be voted off.

Night 2 will start at in about 2 days, 3 hours.

[moody7277]

Partial reads list, other players are the ones I think I can get a better look post-by-post:

LaserGuy: Much to EGW's annoyance, I am keeping him at towncore. If POE demands a review of that, I'll run through him then

bessie: In spite of the hangover from Seven's anti-bessie screed that they've since backed off of, I'm still townie reading her. Her reaction D1 felt like righteous anger, and if she is town and feels I owe her a big bag of kibble after the game, I will gladly pay up.

Gluelock: Mechanics of the flavor seen at dawn plus BF's declaration would lean to clearing him

Seven: Despite the annoying playstyle, the face conf town BF went to bat in leading a counter wagon to save them is in Seven's favor (multiball complicates this, but I am not convinced we are in that setup)

EGW: Gadfly style is what I see all the time from him, so NAI. Fervently anti-Seven D1 (CV says distancing), vote on me D2 because I was wobbly in my bessie read not unreasonable. Neutral

[Seven]

You know, we might actually be dealing with a full scum team here.

Mak-Laser-Trisscar.

Mak is scum. I think y'all are forcing the town read on him hard. The way he treated Zeniba is omega suss and it was clear that he was trying real hard at the end of the day to get someone to give him a reason to vote me, but no one could give him anything so he just sat out.

Laser has had terrible reasons for concluding Mak and Trisscar to be town. Mak because "he misread the town flavor as indy" and Trisscar because "Fred replaced out". The first is a super stretch and while I initially thought that Adum and Laser were talking past each other in their back and forth on it, I think I actually just put words in Laser's mouth that he was able to use as a get out of jail free card. The reasoning is actually a gigantic stretch and he probably didn't actually mean that he understood Frozen's post as a joke.

With regard to the Trisscar reasoning, I mentioned yesterday that I disagreed and that Fred was likely to sub out as a wolf. Fred had a hard time wolfing in millirizer mafia. Didn't enjoy it as much as town so he had a good chance of being a RWSTFO. I don't think anyone who read Millerizer should have thought his sub out increased his odds of being town. This is a negative point for heury too.

Yeah so Laser is super weird. Heury is weird for sheeping this read.

On Mak, I feel if Fonti was here, she would see it too. It's the same as scum Frozen in this game.

[Seven]

Cop may just be just that and nothing more. Ive seen mafia cops that are just redherrings that punish town for thinking they can clear people from claims. Anti-mass claim mechanic, that is.

The fact that we have a doctor and a body guard though does indicate that we have some extra kill power in the works. I’m thinking possible SK (George) aiming for Blue, while maf gunned for the big bad boom.

[AdumbroDeus]

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You know, we might actually be dealing with a full scum team here.

Mak-Laser-Trisscar.

Mak is scum. I think y'all are forcing the town read on him hard. The way he treated Zeniba is omega suss and it was clear that he was trying real hard at the end of the day to get someone to give him a reason to vote me, but no one could give him anything so he just sat out.

Laser has had terrible reasons for concluding Mak and Trisscar to be town. Mak because "he misread the town flavor as indy" and Trisscar because "Fred replaced out". The first is a super stretch and while I initially thought that Adum and Laser were talking past each other in their back and forth on it, I think I actually just put words in Laser's mouth that he was able to use as a get out of jail free card. The reasoning is actually a gigantic stretch and he probably didn't actually mean that he understood Frozen's post as a joke.

With regard to the Trisscar reasoning, I mentioned yesterday that I disagreed and that Fred was likely to sub out as a wolf. Fred had a hard time wolfing in millirizer mafia. Didn't enjoy it as much as town so he had a good chance of being a RWSTFO. I don't think anyone who read Millerizer should have thought his sub out increased his odds of being town. This is a negative point for heury too.

Yeah so Laser is super weird. Heury is weird for sheeping this read.

On Mak, I feel if Fonti was here, she would see it too. It's the same as scum Frozen in this game.

Appreciate the game reference, I'll read it when I get a chance.

Gonna be real, while it's a possible underlying motivation, I don't think anything supports it.

They seemed inclined to dismiss the case against you if anything, but doing their due diligence. I read the exchange as wanting to kill zeniba for inactivity, but wanting make sure there wasn't a really strong case against you first.

I disagree on the setup speculation adamantly though, we're informed that dissenters exist.

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[Seven]

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You know, we might actually be dealing with a full scum team here.

Mak-Laser-Trisscar.

Mak is scum. I think y'all are forcing the town read on him hard. The way he treated Zeniba is omega suss and it was clear that he was trying real hard at the end of the day to get someone to give him a reason to vote me, but no one could give him anything so he just sat out.

Laser has had terrible reasons for concluding Mak and Trisscar to be town. Mak because "he misread the town flavor as indy" and Trisscar because "Fred replaced out". The first is a super stretch and while I initially thought that Adum and Laser were talking past each other in their back and forth on it, I think I actually just put words in Laser's mouth that he was able to use as a get out of jail free card. The reasoning is actually a gigantic stretch and he probably didn't actually mean that he understood Frozen's post as a joke.

With regard to the Trisscar reasoning, I mentioned yesterday that I disagreed and that Fred was likely to sub out as a wolf. Fred had a hard time wolfing in millirizer mafia. Didn't enjoy it as much as town so he had a good chance of being a RWSTFO. I don't think anyone who read Millerizer should have thought his sub out increased his odds of being town. This is a negative point for heury too.

Yeah so Laser is super weird. Heury is weird for sheeping this read.

On Mak, I feel if Fonti was here, she would see it too. It's the same as scum Frozen in this game.

Appreciate the game reference, I'll read it when I get a chance.

Gonna be real, while it's a possible underlying motivation, I don't think anything supports it.

They seemed inclined to dismiss the case against you if anything, but doing their due diligence. I read the exchange as wanting to kill zeniba for inactivity, but wanting make sure there wasn't a really strong case against you first.

I disagree on the setup speculation adamantly though, we're informed that dissenters exist.

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No reason the dissenters and human have to be separate.

[AdumbroDeus]

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Technically it's possible that it's a misdirection and the "dissenters" are all actually humans or the like, but I really don't see it at this juncture. The setup seems designed around multiple mafia with the misdirection being the assumption that the dissenters are the only enemy group

If you're right, I don't think we have enough information yet.");

[bessie]

Baily bark! Most important things first:

So far so good, she's resting now. I ended up calling out of my first shift of work to take care of her and my BF left work early.

He's with her and I'm here now.

Very good to hear!

I thought BF was my frog

Also, I promise I'm not dating Boomfrog");

Hmmm... Your conflicting content has been noted.

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I keep reading BF as BoomFrog.

bessie is town

I agree but, what changed your mind?

Inb4: "adum is too well informed"

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It was just a thought experiment, essentially.

Can you explain your meaning? Do you mean you never thought I was scum and your content thus far was a thought experiment? Or do you mean that after much thought, you no longer believe I am scum?

Mak: Again, misreading Zeniba's moody quotes as Zeniba's thoughts.

I also misread this at first. I really had to dig through it because I thought she had combined her own reads with the quotes.

I swear I've seen these three lines before (in another game), but I can't remember where.

I don’t have time to dig for it but maybe the cat thing was from here: https://smashboards.com/threads/wams-ch ... ad.512648/

And heury’s handsomeness has been well established in this forum.

You think that the heury/bessie stuff was all just coincidence?

To what heury/bessie stuff are you referring?

Daily bark grr.

Setup note: The filp was Zeniba was scum, mafia. She could be indie, with would fit with the flavor.

It would be very weird for them to have Zeniba as 'mafia' and indie. I feel like this would be intentionally deceptive by the mods to phrase it this way, and it's a little disturbing to me that you would think this is a possibility.

Sorry that’s a typo. Zeniba flipped scum, not mafia. I know that I am always careful to distinguish when I mean mafia or indie, or I sometimes use scum interchangeably with non-town to refer to any non-town alignment. But not everyone else does. I’m saying my reading of the flip was that Zeniba was non-town.

Interesting how you didn’t catch my typo, and also how you mistakenly believed Zeniba flipped mafia. It’s as if you didn’t even read the flip. I wonder why you wouldn’t hmmmm...

Flip for reference: viewtopic.php?p=52329#p52329

That's true. I think the situation there was more complicated (last minute elim scramble after a PR claim or something). I seem to recall from reading the scumchat afterward that Hari was quite vexed about having to do it.

Your defense of Seven is noted.

Too early for an elim wagon outside of a solved game, cause wagons that lose momentum tend to dissipate because of recency bias (though if I'm historically wrong on this forum, people can feel free to correct me, also I'm borrowing a lot of people's useful words this game). Plus I'd like Bessie here when we start seriously gunning for Heury for rather obvious reasons and weekends are better for her.

I'm thinking Saturday. Plenty of time to make it happen, but probably not long enough for it to randomly dissipate.

I will be out until about noon on Saturday (California), after which I plan on being home. If I am calculating deadline correctly, it is at 9pm my time.

If you are town, this repetitive speculation of my role is not advantageous to town. But I think you are not town, and you are rolefishing, and you are trying to cause confusion as to my role in the thread by implying that either I claimed this, or that you somehow otherwise know it.

Why is it thinking about the rather obvious link between you and heury not advantageous to town?

This is for somitomi only. Describe in your own words my link with heury. Since it is so obvious to you, it should be easy for you to make a case.

Also @Seven has claimed but still hasn't confirmed who they neighborized last night.

Perhaps because HE’S LYING???

Also @Adum, heury can only be scum if bessie is scum. You think bessie is town, so I don't think it's reasonable to think heury is scum. I suppose there is the option where bessie has a strong reason to believe heury is town rather than him being confirmed, but regardless, it's odd that you're ignoring the bessie side of the equation.

Just noting this for now.

If she claims Masons or some other reason to know for sure then we'll address it then. We also should get an updated woof/Grrr list from them because I don't know where her head is at toDay, she's only made one serious post.

Not true. I made two serious posts. And the first was the most serious.

[Makhaira]

ive been prodded, work kicking my ass this week but I have half day off tomorrow so Ill be able to catch up, by saturday and then be able to be live for atleast a day before deadline

zeniba's flip as scum cop says this is multiball to me unless we've confirmed from mod that cop can include role cop or something similar

all the vote movement at EOD tho is gonna be good data given likely multiball and multiple TMI groups

[AdumbroDeus]

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Baily bark! Most important things first:

So far so good, she's resting now. I ended up calling out of my first shift of work to take care of her and my BF left work early.

He's with her and I'm here now.

Very good to hear!

Thank you! She seems much better today.

I thought BF was my frog

Also, I promise I'm not dating Boomfrog");

Hmmm... Your conflicting content has been noted.

If my bf is secretly boomfrog and pretending not to know Mafia when I was explaining it to him...

Daily bark grr.

Setup note: The filp was Zeniba was scum, mafia. She could be indie, with would fit with the flavor.

It would be very weird for them to have Zeniba as 'mafia' and indie. I feel like this would be intentionally deceptive by the mods to phrase it this way, and it's a little disturbing to me that you would think this is a possibility.

Sorry that’s a typo. Zeniba flipped scum, not mafia. I know that I am always careful to distinguish when I mean mafia or indie, or I sometimes use scum interchangeably with non-town to refer to any non-town alignment. But not everyone else does. I’m saying my reading of the flip was that Zeniba was non-town.

Interesting how you didn’t catch my typo, and also how you mistakenly believed Zeniba flipped mafia. It’s as if you didn’t even read the flip. I wonder why you wouldn’t hmmmm...

Flip for reference: viewtopic.php?p=52329#p52329

Firstly, it's "humans", not "human". I'm reading "humans" as a Mafia faction name.

Memory issues can happen to anyone, but it seems odd for laser to not double check a scumlean's description of a flip.

Too early for an elim wagon outside of a solved game, cause wagons that lose momentum tend to dissipate because of recency bias (though if I'm historically wrong on this forum, people can feel free to correct me, also I'm borrowing a lot of people's useful words this game). Plus I'd like Bessie here when we start seriously gunning for Heury for rather obvious reasons and weekends are better for her.

I'm thinking Saturday. Plenty of time to make it happen, but probably not long enough for it to randomly dissipate.

I will be out until about noon on Saturday (California), after which I plan on being home. If I am calculating deadline correctly, it is at 9pm my time.

Thanks Bessie

Also @Seven has claimed but still hasn't confirmed who they neighborized last night.

Perhaps because HE’S LYING???

The reluctance to claim a target doesn't sit right with me. Especially since it's a trivial role to confirm and doesn't give a lot of info for mass-claims.

If she claims Masons or some other reason to know for sure then we'll address it then. We also should get an updated woof/Grrr list from them because I don't know where her head is at toDay, she's only made one serious post.

Not true. I made two serious posts. And the first was the most serious.

That's fair, I meant with substantial content though like these bark-ups. My apologies for not clarifying.

Would appreciate a woof-grrr list though.

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[Seven]

Vote: Laser

@ran let’s consolidate

[Seven]

Me every time I see an Adumbrodeus post: https://youtu.be/cVikZ8Oe_XA?si=CpG9k7c4ikCG6JNq

[AdumbroDeus]

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ive been prodded, work kicking my ass this week but I have half day off tomorrow so Ill be able to catch up, by saturday and then be able to be live for atleast a day before deadline

zeniba's flip as scum cop says this is multiball to me unless we've confirmed from mod that cop can include role cop or something similar

all the vote movement at EOD tho is gonna be good data given likely multiball and multiple TMI groups

I mean it's something, but I've been waiting on to start with the fire! This is super surface level dude.

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[AdumbroDeus]

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Me every time I see an Adumbrodeus post: https://youtu.be/cVikZ8Oe_XA?si=CpG9k7c4ikCG6JNq

Lol, I'll take that as a good thing");

[EGW]

Vote: Laser

@ran let’s consolidate

Unvote; Vote: LaserGuy

[EGW]

I'm going to a piano lesson

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I hope you enjoy the irony in that.

[EGW]

Seven, in addition to your points on LaserGuy, he also has premature town reads on Heury and Moody on page 2, and his pushes on Bessie and myself are not convincing. He's not trying to convince people.

[EGW]

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Also, full reads list. I'm going to a piano lesson, will talk more when I am back.

Not alone as a pianist!");

I hope to actually get average at it at least, I'm a beginner.

[AdumbroDeus]

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I need to rethink Seven, him changing his setup theory than immediately flipping onto a townlean is odd. So is the reluctance to give their target for an already claimed role that has little use in mass claims.

EGW flipping onto laserguy makes sense since they've been suspicious of them since last game day.

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[AdumbroDeus]

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Also, full reads list. I'm going to a piano lesson, will talk more when I am back.

Not alone as a pianist!");

I hope to actually get average at it at least, I'm a beginner.

Everyone who plays is a pianist! But always important to improve, maybe we can play sometime!");

[AdumbroDeus]

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And to be clear the specific issue is that it seems weird to so suddenly and strongly flip on setup speculation that you'd lynch a town lean when in your mind you were just wrong about the setup.

Tbf, they were initially gunning for Mak which was in both their setup theories and most people showed little interest.

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[madge]

Votals:
Laserguy - 2 - EGW, Seven
Seven - 1 - Bessie
Heury - 1 - Laserguy

With 11 players alive, it's 6 to vote off.

In case of a tie at the end of the day, the player who reached the tied votals first will be voted off.

Night 2 will start at in about 1 days, 5.5 hours.

[AdumbroDeus]

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I find it interesting that it's been over 24 hours since Heury posted right after I proposed my plan for lynching them and got laser seemingly onboard with the lynch. They're usually not super proflific posters but haven't gone more than a day without posting and I've seen them on the forum active list since then.

Tbf they could be using other sections of the site, I'm not risking an unspoiled memorial thread search to verify.");

[AdumbroDeus]

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Votals:
Seven - 1 - Bessie
Makhaira - 1 - Seven
Heury - 1 - Laserguy
Laserguy - 1 - EGW

With 11 players alive, it's 6 to vote off.

In case of a tie at the end of the day, the player who reached the tied votals first will be voted off.

Night 2 will start at in about 1 days, 5.5 hours.

Seven moved their vote to laserguy.");