bessie’s Totally Awesome Hot-Fudge-Sundae Reads
Madge – Madge is usually kinda scummy in the early days of a game and shines in the later days. But she seems even scummier than usual in this game. Day 1 was ... well, Day 1 Madge. But her Day 2 has been terrible. Madge claims she is voting for me because she is following dead townies, but note that Madge is being selective in the dead townie she is following. BoomFrog is a good player, but so is moody. I was moody’s strongest town read and moody ended the day with a vote on Osie, why isn't she following moody? Suspicious.
Pre-post edit: Moving Madge to scum lean after her last post. Reason: She won’t take responsibility for her own vote today and is already setting it up to do the same thing tomorrow.
heuristically_alone – I would have excluded heury from being scum with Osie because I think he would have warned Osie right up front not to attack my super-awesome-townie-meta, but since heury was late to the game I can’t rule him out. The “slip” found by the Worst looks pretty bad for heury, but my very unreliable gut has doubts, so I would be willing to give him another day. Suspicious, but not on my list today.
The Snide Sniper – I have requested, and he has not provided, a single reason for finding me scummy enough to earn his vote. Also, after pondering this for over a week, I think Osie’s initial misreading of Snide Sniper’s experience level was a fake slip. It’s too far out there; there was no reason for Osie to believe he was one off the most experienced players in the game. Scum.
WakeMeUp – Through most of Day 1 I felt she was trying to solve the game. I was at work at the end of Day 1, so I don’t get the same feel for the game as if I was reading it in real time, but I think her end-of-day was scummy. This is what pings me. WakeMeUp was not reading moody as scum and asked BoomFrog to explain his moody case
here , which BoomFrog did, then WakeMeUp moved her vote to moody
here . I get the feeling that perhaps WakeMeUp was more concerned about protecting Osie than she was in voting for scum, she even says this a bit later:
xX_WakeMeUp1337_Xx wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 6:36 pm
I am sure about one thing rn, i would vote to save you because I think you are town.
I would like a scum game of yours, your best scum game, maybe the one who made the worst doubt you at the day start. Meta is not the most important, but helps. I need a comparison between the so many times I saw you town and a scum game from you.
@WakeMeUp, if what I just said is not true, why didn’t you correct my “mistake” in this post:
bessie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:30 am
osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:07 pm
I think there was a general agreement that moody was the scummiest.
There was not at all. BoomFrog found moody scummy, Madge followed BoomFrog instead of coming up with her own reads, you voted in self-preservation, and WakeMeUp voted to ensure you were not eliminated.
Overall I have a little suspicion of WakeMeUp, but I would not be interested in voting for her today.
The Worst – It’s hard for me to find anything scummy today in the Worst’s content because I can’t help liking him, a lot. Also, the Worst seems to be the only player besides me and heury that is trying to keep the atmosphere light and have a good time. Anyway, my time is very limited on weeknights and I don’t like to waste my precious hours digging into my townier leans. Worst, if you want more attention from me please do something blatantly scummy.
Osieorb18 – Scum (mafia with a partner) caught on Page 1.
Reasons: Numerous but here’s a few of the most suspicious.
1. Having a near meltdown when I caught him in my first non-confirmation-post post. Sorry Osie, but I do have a history of catching scum on Page 1, refer to
my previous game where I FoS’d 2/3 of the scum team in my second post.
2. Osie's reaction to my early post-by-post analysis. He only had eyes for me after that post.
3. Devoting upwards of 95% of his content to “scumhunting” me me me, and scumreading me for stuff I do ALL THE TIME as any alignment.
4. Repeatedly blaming me for wasting Day 1. Nope, that’s all you. You could have done some analysis of other people if you wanted.
5. Blaming me for being a bad player, which was his reason for his scumread of me. WTF?
6. Trying to subliminally influence players by repeatedly using insulting metaphors and negative words to refer to me, and in the way I describe below.
bessie’s Analysis on Osie’s use of Coded Clues to Influence Others
Scope: Osie is using coded clues to convey information to a select group of people in this game (the Worst and WakeMeUp), that a majority of the players in this game (bessie, BoomFrog, heuristically_alone, Madge, moody7277, The Snide Sniper) would not understand. Osie has not been open to explaining these coded signals, even though I point out when he uses a phrase I don’t understand. Why does he not want me to understand them?
Examples and analysis, limited to three out of consideration for other players.
Osie Codes Example 1
osieorb18 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 8:34 pm
After I hyped you up so much on NUF and then you were a lurky wolf...
My first thought about this post was that it was an early attempt to put together WakeMeUp and her “wolf meta” in everyone’s mind. But also that it could be not just a reference to an off-site game, but possibly a subtle/subconscious coded message to WakeMeUp. Or it could be an abbreviation used on another site to denote scum or town. I stated in my original analysis of this post that I don’t know what “NUF” meant, and I had to ask several times for the site information before I received it, from WakeMeUp.
Osie Codes Example 2
osieorb18 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:58 am
the worst wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:28 amlike osie/bessie definitely qualifies as more interesting than rvs
More interesting? Maybe. Definitely less enjoyable. I suppose this is probably the second or third cringiest, most blatant series of misrepresentations formed into a push on me I've seen outside of games with the twins.
Osie replies to the Worst with a negative reference to “the twins”; specifically, he is drawing a parallel between bessie’s gameplay and “the twins”. This is a coded message to the Worst that the xkcd players are not expected to understand, and the message is to equate bessie as a mafia player with the mysterious twins, and for the Worst to read her like he would them. I think perhaps Osie may have been surprised that I knew to whom he was referring, since I have only played one game with Chad, and Chad played as a character from an anime and not himself.
Osie Codes Example 3
osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 5:05 am
boomfrog wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 4:55 amAnd the order has remained the same for two days? Moody posted a strong town read of you. Normally you bite people's head off for an unsubstantiated default "Bessie is town" stance. Why have you not even brought it up?
Totally Garcia'ing here, but it's because she wouldn't want to call out a buddy.
I don’t know who Garcia is, and I quoted this and said so. No explanation was ever given. Is Garcia someone that is known for having a poor wolf game? Is this a saying from another site? Is this a way Osie is subliminally planting a suggestion in WakeMeUp’s and the Worst’s minds that bessie is “Garcia, the crappy wolf”? I don’t know because the reference was never explained. Like, if I said “Osie’s been SDK’d” then BoomFrog, Madge, and moody would get the code that I said “Osie is scum that was caught on the first page” but I would not do that with players that didn’t know what it meant.
Now, before Osie pulls out “proof” that bessie has used a similar tactic, allow me to show those examples myself, and describe how they differ from Osie’s behavior.
bessie Example 1
bessie wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 3:31 pm
Your greeting to BoomFrog, and referring to me as the “what” is quite rude.
And re self voting, you are completely totally wrong. You are stuck in a mindset where you believe there is only one correct way to play mafia, and are not accommodating in accepting the possibly unique eccentricities of others and other communities.
Anyway, you are completely wrong. I could pull an old game but I would need to go through the Wayback Machine and I don’t have time.
If any xkcder want to find it, Vytron self hammered as town cop, and it did give me the info I needed to solve the game.
I was pressed for time since I had to leave for work and I couldn’t dig up the link, but I did explain my OOG reference (Vytron self-hammered as town). Sarcastic bessie could have replied with this:
“And re self voting, you are completely totally wrong. You are stuck in a mindset where you believe there is only one correct way to play mafia, and are not accommodating in accepting the possibly unique eccentricities of others and other communities. Hahaha I’m Vytron!!!!”
If I had said that instead of what I did post, moody, BoomFrog, and Madge might have inferred the suggestion that I’m a townie with a unique playstyle, and the players that have not played with Vytron would have no clue. I used an OOG reference but provided all relevant information in thread so anyone could understand my meaning.
For those that care, here’s the reference:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170802234 ... 7&start=80
bessie Example 2
bessie wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:22 am
boomfrog wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 4:39 am
Read this first.
It’s not really how I wanted to spend my precious one hour of game time on weeknights. The thing is, Osie calls me scum for not replying to everything he writes, in the way he wants, even the second or third time he quotes my same content. I remember Vicarin as mafia did the same thing to me in a game, and he was doing it to totally monopolize my time under the pretense of “scumhunting” me.
I really believe Osie is mafia in this game, and he is doing the same thing.
In this case, there is nothing to link to, because this game is not in the Wayback Machine (though it is in the bessie archive). I could have said to BoomFrog “Dude, Osie is acting like Vicarin in Wheel of Time 3” and BoomFog would have understood my accusation: that Osie was scum who was deliberately flooding the thread to appear like he was scum hunting. But I didn’t say that; I gave context.
Conclusion: It is my observation that Osie is sending coded messages or make associations that are meant to convey something negative about me, and that only WakeMeUp and the Worst are expected to understand.
Now to wait for the storm.
nothing more recharging than snuggling a lil purring ball of fur.